Trial speed 200 Mbps only on 5 Ghz band

[wewe78]

Hi,
I'm on trial speed NBN (HFC) 200 Mbps. However i can only get this speed on 5 Ghz, and not on 2.4 Ghz or power wall extender that connected via LAN to Tp-link archer vr1600.

I'm planning to upgrade after the trial finish and if TPG offer deal same as my friend.
I want to make sure if it's possible to get same speed (200 Mbps) for 2.4 Ghz and powerwall as well before i commit the upgrade.

Thanks

[david64]

Hi @wewe78 . What is the model of extender?

What wifi device are you using for testing?

What wifi connection speeds are reported by your device on the router's 5G and 2.4G bands?

What wifi connection speeds are reported by your device when going through the extender's 5G and 2.4G bands?

Best speeds are when the wifi device is close to the router or extender.

On the 2.4G bands, the channel number should be set to different values (1 or 6 or 11) to avoid interference.

Is your wifi device picking up nearby networks? What strength?

[wewe78]

Hi,

Thanks for responding. I will answer your question below.

Model extender is TP-link AV600.

https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/tp-link-av600-nano-powerline-adaptor-starter-kit-t...

Wifi device for testing are:

1. wifi on Samsung galaxy s20. 

    5Ghz download 188  Mbps and upload 23 Mbps

     2.4 Ghz download 25-40 Mbps and upload 18 Mbps

     Power wall extender wifi download 35 Mbps and upload 19 Mbps

2. wfh PC connect with LAN

     Power wall extender LAN download 40 Mbps and upload 20 Mbps

3. home PC with wifi  (intel(R) wi-fi 6 ax200 160 Mhz)

    5Ghz download 232 Mbps and upload 23 Mbps

    2.4 Ghz download 70  Mbps and upload 23 Mbps

    Power wall extender wifi download 50  Mbps and upload 23 Mbps

I have just tried changing the channel to 11 for 2.4 Ghz on the modem/router setting but didn't notice any difference. 

I live in a townhouse and only 1 property share wall so barely have neighbour interference.

Picked up 1 - 2 wifi signal (between 1-2 bars)

[david64]

@wewe78 . You've done speed tests for these devices but what are the connection speeds on the wifi connection between device and router? For each device using the router's wifi directly and when connected to the extender's wifi. With Android, tap the wifi connection. With Windows, in connection properties.

Considering the home pc, each wifi interface might be designed to only use a fraction of the router's capacity on each band. 

You can try this using your computer in different connection methods.

ping -n 20 -l 65000 192.168.1.1

Pings the router with max data length. See how response varies between bands on router and extender.

[david64]

@wewe78 . There's a note on TP-Link website that these units must be used on the same electrical circuit, same continuous run of cable. If the remote is upstairs, it might be on a separate fuse. If you are not sure about the wiring, plug the remote in a power point next to main unit (like in initial setup).

[wewe78]

Below are the networks speed for device's connection

Android (samsung galaxy s20)

1. Modem TP-link Archer vr1600v 2.4 Ghz network speed  57-104 Mbps
2. Modem TP-link Archer vr1600v 5 Ghz network speed 866 Mbps
3. Power wall TP-link AV600 network speed 130 Mbps

Home PC

1. Modem TP-link Archer vr1600v 2.4 Ghz network speed  130/144 Mbps
2. Modem TP-link Archer vr1600v 5 Ghz network speed 866 Mbps
3. Power wall TP-link AV600 network speed 144/130 Mbps

ping -n 20 -l 65000 192.168.1.1

1. Modem TP-link Archer vr1600v 2.4 Ghz 

   • Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 65000 bytes of data:
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=19ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=19ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=26ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=21ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=17ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=23ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=17ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=15ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=16ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=19ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=16ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=20ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=17ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=15ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=19ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=21ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=17ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=17ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=27ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=22ms TTL=64

     Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1:
     Packets: Sent = 20, Received = 20, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
     Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
     Minimum = 15ms, Maximum = 27ms, Average = 19ms

2. Modem TP-link Archer vr1600v 5 Ghz

   • Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 65000 bytes of data:
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=9ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=9ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=22ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=9ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=9ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=8ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=10ms TTL=64

     Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1:
     Packets: Sent = 20, Received = 20, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
     Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
     Minimum = 8ms, Maximum = 22ms, Average = 9ms

3. Power wall TP-link AV600 

   • Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 65000 bytes of data:
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=65ms TTL=64
     Request timed out.
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=65ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=169ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=104ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=104ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=316ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=129ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=102ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=86ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=83ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=134ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=95ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=100ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=91ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=110ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=111ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=65ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=108ms TTL=64
     Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=65000 time=103ms TTL=64

     Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1:
     Packets: Sent = 20, Received = 19, Lost = 1 (5% loss),
     Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
     Minimum = 65ms, Maximum = 316ms, Average = 112ms

Theoritacly what are the ideal speed i should get on NBN 200Mbps for

Modem TP_link Archer Vr1600v on 2.4 Ghz and 5 Ghz (IEEE 802.11a/n/ac 5GHz, IEEE 802.11b/g/n 2.4GHz).

And also on that power wall TP-Link AV600.

[david64]

@wewe78 . 

Do your extender units each have 1 ethernet port? Main unit to connect to router; remote unit to provide for 1 ethernet device. The specs say they are 10/100 speed, not gigabit speed, so there's a bottleneck already. The AV600 has max transfer rate of 600Mbps (but maybe only if plugged into same power point; maybe 300Mbps full duplex, which I think is the 2.4G standard). Specs don't say what speed the extended wifi is. It looks to be the slower 2.4G speed since S20 and homepc can both connect at high speed on 5G.

Homepc is reporting more than the theoretical 200 on its 5G wifi. The S20 got close. The best possible speed is on ethernet computer, either the wfhpc or the homepc if it has ethernet port.

Whichever you use, do the speed test and the short ping (without length parameter) connected by ethernet to router (gives best possible speed), connected by ethernet on remote extender unit (gives reduction due to powerline connection and 100M ethernet), and to wifi on remote unit. And connected to router's wifi again.

If you have the remote unit positioned where you want to use it, and then turn it off, is there any reception of the router's wifi, especially its 2.4G band?

[wewe78]

The extender do have ethernet port. When i wrote down the LAN , it meant it's connected via ethernet port from homePC to remote unit. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

From Tp-Link AV600 spec, it does look like only support single band.

Sorry, i can't test the ethernet to router. It's bit hasle to move everything (Big monitor) down the stair since i only have 1 monitor that support the display port.

Connected by ethernet on remote extender with ping 192.168.1.1.  Is this command correct?

Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms

Connected to wifi on remote unit.

Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 4ms, Maximum = 10ms, Average = 6ms

On 2.4 Ghz wifi router

Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 2ms, Maximum = 3ms, Average = 2ms

On 5 Ghz wifi router

Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 1ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 1ms

My home pc is on 2nd floor and next (1m) to power wall extender (remote unit) connected via ethernet. My home PC also has wifi.

The  router Archer VR1600v is on 1st floor. and main unit of Tp-link AV600 is next (less than a meter) to router. 

I unplugged the remote unit next to my home pc and i can still see both 5Ghz and 2.4 Ghz reception from router. It looks like doing speedtest get faster speed at 80 Mbps.

So what is the normal/average speed TPG customers  should get on NBN 200 on 2.4 Ghz ArcherVR1600v?

Should i upgrade the modem to get 200 Mbps on 2.4 Ghz or theoreticly not possible?

Thanks again for replying so quick.

[wewe78]

Just additional test  on android galaxy s20 (with Tp link Av600 both unit unplugged)  still give  download speed 48 Mbps

[david64]

@wewe78 . Ping commands were correct.

Ping to router on ethernet is normally 1 ms. Your ping to remote's ethernet is 2 ms longer. Ping to remote's wifi is a bit longer again. Pings to router's wifi are good.

The 2.4G wifi hardware in S20 and homepc is not fast enough to get full speed. And the ethernet ports are only 100M.

When you unplugged the remote unit and got better speed, that might be wifi interference between the router's wifi and the remote's wifi. Is there a setting for wifi channel in the AV600 app? 

The VR1600 2.4G speed is 300M but a wifi device has to connect at that speed also. The point of the 200M internet connection is that it can handle higher amount of ethernet and wifi traffic via the router plus some from the extender. The speeds on the 3 devices on the remote's wifi seem enough for streaming; ok for 1 but 2 might struggle. You could try running 2 speed tests at same time through remote's wifi/ethernet.

The speed test can vary during the day; it might be higher during daytime compared to busy evening peak.

On NBN50 plan, I'd expect the devices through the remote to get same speeds as on 200M plan. But there would be less capacity on the internet connection. Depends on how many users and what they do.

How does your hardware setup compare with your friend's? And the speeds?